Thursday, March 29, 2012

Weather in September

Could someone please tell me what temperatures to expect mid to late September? Is this a good time to visit? Also we have an 18 year old son - can anyone recommend anything in particular that he might enjoy (beer and women excepted!).





Many thanks




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Mid September should be in the mid-20%26#39;s (Celsius of course). For your son, wine and women, not beer and women...



OK it%26#39;s only a joke for beer and women)



Of course museums, the seascape, etc.




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Hy



Dear, you will have a nice weather in september. It%26#39;s the better period to visit south of France. You can swim without problem. September is wonderfull because there are not a lot visitors.



Hope you have nice vacation



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Mary

Paris for 4 days July

I will be visiting Paris for 4 days early July and would like some suggestions on where to stay. We would like something mid-high range in terms of $$ but want it to be close enough to get around for all the sights - any suggestions? Is it better to stay in a hotel or pensione type accommodation?





Thanks!




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The high range in Paris can easily be over 1000 Euro/night. You might want to be a little more specific about what services you expect and how much you are willing to pay. How many people are traveling together?




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Sorry - I should have been more specific! It will be my boyfriend %26amp; I and I hope to make it quite a romantic holiday. We don%26#39;t want to spend a fortune on accommodation but again want either 3-4 star hotel or pensione style accommodation near enough to the sights so we don%26#39;t need to tavel for hours to get to them!





Thanks




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%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;I should have been more specific! It will be my boyfriend %26amp; I and I hope to make it quite a romantic holiday. We don%26#39;t want to spend a fortune on accommodation but again want either 3-4 star hotel or pensione style accommodation near enough to the sights so we don%26#39;t need to tavel for hours to get to them!%26lt;%26lt;%26lt;





Ya%26#39; gotta%26#39; be more specific than that if you want meaningful and directed responses. What%26#39;s your price range for a hotel, per night? 50-75 Euro? 75-150 Euro? 150 200 Euro. Since hotel rates are usually expressed in Euro, it%26#39;s best to start thinking in those terms. Right now the 1 Euro = $1.23--or 100 Euro = $123




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Around 200 euro per night. The Hilton has a deal - is that location good?




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I don%26#39;t suggest you staying at a Hilton because you won%26#39;t find the parisian feeling and character or something special.By the way, if you want informations about Hilton%26#39;s location you have to precise the Hilton as there are 3 in Central Paris.


You should check these websites for more hotels in Paris:



www.slh.com


www.concorde-hotels.com


www.preferredhotelgroup.com


www.accorhotels.com


www.designhotels.com


www.hotels-exlusive.com




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Hy from France,



You can find some 3 Stars hotels between 100 and 150 euros for a night. But you will be surprised to see the smallest french hotels rooms. If you use to sleep in a huge room the price will be higgest ( Sorry for my baddly english but I hope you will understand me).



If you want a romantic hotel choose in Saint Germain quarter.Or you can choose this hotel :



The Pereire Hotel is is situated in the 17 ��me district. It%26#39;s a lovely hotel, with pretty rooms and this hotel is very quiet and the metro is near and in few minutes you will be where you want. You can negociate the price with this hotel.



Be carreful with the prices. Paris is an expensive city but It%26#39;s a wonderfull city. Prefer the old Paris with little street and little typical restaurant . in Paris you can choose the best restaurants in the World but prices are absolutly Huge.



Best wishes and good travel




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Here is a suggestion...





Click on the hotels link at the top of this page. This will give you access to a database which you can search by area and price, and will also give you candid reviews of the hotels. I would suggest that you search in the Marais, Latin Quarter and St. Germain des Pres areas.





if you find a few hotels that you like the look of and that are within your budget, come back and ask more specific questions about them and their surroundings. Some research in the forum on the areas I have mentioned and others that appeal to you would also be a good place to start.





I agree with those who are suggesting that there are more interesting and certainly more romantic hotels in Paris than the Hiltons...




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I have no problem heartly recommending that you give



irishrover%26#39;s suggestions serious consideration.





Begin with the location. I have always stayed in the



Latin Quarter (5th) because it was a happening place.





The September I will be staying in St. Germain De Pres (6th)



but spending a great deal of time in the Marais (4th).





They are centrally located and close to most everything.





If you like the looks of those 3 arrondisments, then look



for hotels within them.




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For a romantic hotel well-located, have a look at Hotel Britannique...a wonderful 3 star hotel near Chatelet, it is in the Laint Quarter..The decoration of the hotel is really really nice...you can see it on the website; http://www.hotel-britannique.com



Have a look at the reviews onTripdvisor, you will see how people generally love this hotel!



Have a wonderful and romantic trip!




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Thank you all for your very helpful suggestions. I am looking into these areas and am sure I will now find something suitable.



Many thanks !

Rural France

We will be making a whirlwind visit to Europe this summer and unfortunately will be in France for only 2+ days - not enough time to visit Paris. We will be spending 1 day in Burgundy, overnighting in a town called Semur-en-Auxois, and 1 day/night in Chenonceaux in the Loire Valley. We will have a car so we plan to travel through smalltown, rural France for this brief period. There%26#39;s a town called Noyers near Auxerre that%26#39;s supposed to be quaint and lovely. I%26#39;m sure there are others people might recommend.





Is anyone familiar with these areas? Will there be boulangerie and patisserie in less populated areas for us to obtain fresh foods for picnics? Are there any specific towns or villages in rural Burgundy or Loire Valley known for their scenic beauty or having other features we should try to visit?





Thanks in advance for feedback or advice from more seasoned travelers to France!





Andrew






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You will not have any worries about finding food for picnics. Every village of any size will have at least one boulangerie. The larger villages and small towns will have small shops or a small supermarket for charcuterie, fruit, wine and the rest. The route you propose has few really sparsely populated areas.





Your start and finish points will let you visit a couple of very worthwhile places along the (more or less) direct route. Vezelay, which is a pituresque village on the edge of the Morvan, not far from Semur, has a magnificent 12th century basilica.





At about half way on the trip, Bourges with its splendid cathedral and Palais Jacques-Coeur should definitely not be missed.





From Bourges the direct route would take you along the valley of the Cher to Chenonceau. A more interesting route would be to take a fairly short detour via Valencay and Loches, both of which are worth a visit.





www.via.michelin will give you various route options. Try plugging in the %26quot;avoiding tolls%26quot; option if you want the non-Autoroute route.





You probably should get Michelin maps 243 and 238 to avoid getting lost - or to help you find yourself when you do!





And remember that shops in most of France outside Paris are usually closed for a couple of hours from about noon.





Bonne route!




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Thanks for your feedback and suggestions. I have been using Michelin map #724 (national France Nord) , but am relieved to know there are other maps which offer greater detail - and perhaps route numbers in larger print. I will look for those maps.





I am really looking forward to checking out the villages you recommend. Thanks again!




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Where are these detailed maps available from? Can they bought in Paris?




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Yes, they are readily available all over France. Off the top of my head I do not recall specifically where you can buy them in Paris, but if you ask in any ordinary bookstore they should know, if they do not have them.





The most useful for most purposes are the 1:200 000 scale, which is the scale of the maps I mentioned. They are available in regional maps of which there are sixteen covering all of France (#230 to #245, and a special Rhone valley map, #246). Smaller local maps are available in the same scale, with perhaps 90 maps covering the country.





There are some regions, for example the Cote d%26#39;Azur (#195) and Provence (#114), which are covered by 1:100 000 scale maps, handy if you are doing a lot of exploring. And for the area immediately surrounding Paris there is a 1:50 000 map (#101), which is very useful if you are driving near the capital.





The most convenient of all is the Michelin atlas, which is in 1:200 000 scale and covers the whole country in a large spiral bound book.





There are other maps available in larger scale, such as the IGN series, some of which are particularly useful for hiking, but the Michelin maps are the ones I prefer for driving.





Bonne route!




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Hi Andrew, we live in semur en Auxois and you are in for a treat as it is a lovely town. Very medieval. Nearby is the village of Flavigny sur Ozerain where they filmed the movie Chocolate with Johnny Depp and in the other direction are the towns of Avallon and the pilgrimage village of Vezelay (wonderful). Noyers sur Serein is very poretty but there is not much going on there. Post if you need any more info. Hope this helps.





Keith




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Keith,



I%26#39;m glad we%26#39;ve chosen a scenic place to stay! I%26#39;m aware there is not much to see or do in some of the smaller towns, but hopefully we will be charmed anyway. The slower pace will be a nice break after our rush to France from Holland/Germany/Austria/Switzerland.



In the towns/villages you mention - Semur-en-Auxois or some of the others - can you recommend a particular restaurant or cafe? Nothing too expensive, but with good cuisine? It seems we would have better choices in a place such as Beaune or Dijon, but I am hoping we can find a nice restaurant outside those larger towns.



Thank you!

an inside joke: need to translate into French, please

It is an inside joke that is a part of the famous Russian book %26quot;12 Chairs%26quot;, please help with translation: a person that was begging for money said: %26quot;Sir, I have not eaten for 6 days%26quot;





Please translate into French.





Thanks.




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%26quot;Monsieur, je n%26#39;ai pas mange depuis 6 jours%26quot;. But i must be miising something here, i didn%26#39;t get the joke




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Raphy,





You need to read the book I was referring to to get this joke. It takes too long to explain and may not seem funny, unless you read the book.





Thanks for the translation, I appreciate it very much :-)




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Sorry, Raphy. 6 is %26quot;sis%26quot;? How do you pronounce this phrase, if you could?





Thanks again.




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In this sentence, six is pronounced %26quot;see%26quot; (see joor) because the following letter is a consonant. But if the following letter was a vowel, you would pronounce %26quot;seez%26quot; (depuis %26quot;seez%26quot; annees for example).



When six is alone (when you count down for example) it has to be pronounces %26quot;seess%26quot;.



I did not realized it was so complicated before today!!




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I read the book and we also have an inside joke that includes this phrase! I guess after all I do know one French phrase!




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Natasha,





This is about extent of my French as well, at least we will be able to explain that we need something to eat. I am petrified that my husband will decide to use this phrase on the waiter in one of the fancy restaurants we are planning to visit. He already tried to do this when we went to Montreal and, needless to say, it did not go over very well. When are you going to be in Paris? We will be there from August 9th to August 18th.





Anneparis and Raphy thanks, even though you are not familiar with Russian literature, %26quot;12 Chairs%26quot; is a classic satire and this phrase was used by one of the main characters and was hillarious in books content.





Thanks again.






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Right dates , wrong month -- we will be there from Sept 9 through Sept 15.



I am pertrified as well that my husband will use this phrase!




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I am going to tell my husband that if he absolutely must say it, to wait until we are done eating. I do not want to think that the waiter dropped something extra into my food, just to create an insider joke of his own :-)

How do I get a good haircut (ladies') in Paris?

I was going to book in to get my hair cut before my Paris trip when I thought a new style would be a great %26#39;souvenir%26#39; from Paris. BUT what are the customs for hairdressers in Paris? For example, are all the hairdresser%26#39;s reliable or are you best to get advice first about who is good? Can you just walk in or a prior appointments needed? Here in Australia you expect the stylist to do exactly what you ask for but I%26#39;ve heard that in Europe one treats the stylist like a professional whose advice is to be fully accepted and followed. Is this accurate? And how much would I expect to pay for the %26#39;average good%26#39; haircut, that is, not bottom of the line nor high end exclusive either?





I apologise for the number of questions but I%26#39;m hoping that all we posters who are interested in the fashion and %26#39;what to wear%26#39; threads will be just as interested in commenting on hairstyles!!!




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I get my hair cut at Toni %26amp; Guy which is an international salon. Toni %26amp; Guy has a salon at 248 Rue St. Honore in the 1st Arr., also close to Cafe Ruc. FYI: this salon company is the creator of TIGI and Bedhead hair products.




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People have asked about salons before, but I think that you bring up some interesting points concerning what to expect...



I go to Jean Marc Maniatis, a chain that has a special %26quot;technique.%26quot; When the girl took out her razor I thought she was going to ruin my hair, but it turns out to be the best hair cut I%26#39;ve ever had and I am a maniac about my hair. Until finding them I was using my Montreal hair dresser, despite having left the city 11 years ago!!!



I told her to keep the length and let her decide the rest, kind of de rigeur if you want a more European look. It was about 90 euros and appointments are highly recommended.



http://www.maniatis.com/



If you want to have more say in the cut, there are chains all over the city... Jean Louis David, Franck Prevost...Biguine and they will pretty much do what ever you ask. The prices are lower and no appoint. necessary




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I agree with Phread about the Jean Marc Maniatis Salons. When I was last in Paris I walked in to the salon in St. Germain des Pres and was able to get an appointment for later that day. It was the best haircut I have ever gotten and I am very particular about my hair. I can%26#39;t even find anyone in Manhattan that I like. The stylist%26#39;s name, if I remember correctly, was Marco. He spent a lot of time with me and cut my hair wet, half dry and then dry. I got so many compliments when I returned.

day dreaming about Paris...

I haven%26#39;t even been to Paris yet and I am already day dreaming about her! I%26#39;ve already bought a few scarves and almost on a daily basis wear one around my neck. I%26#39;ve downloaded a %26#39;how to tie your scarf%26#39; document from Herme and try a new knot each time. Every week I go to our most european like cafe and order a cafe creme (well, I pretend it%26#39;s a cafe creme...but it%26#39;s just a late) and an almond croissant and read one of my many Paris guide books and pretend I am in Paris.





So how pathetic is that??? Please tell me I am not alone, and there are others out there like me who can%26#39;t help but day dream about Paris every day.





7 weeks to go. Why is time moving so slowly???




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i hear ya - ill be in europe for 3 weeks and 4 days in paris in late june





i went in 2000 with my sis, this time solo - all i know is that im going to the top of the eiffel this time! no chickening out!




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Cedre - you%26#39;re not quite a sicko - or if you are, there%26#39;s an epidemic around the world!! I carry my Paris guide books with me everywhere - never know when you%26#39;ll need a good read..I%26#39;m even driving my french tutor crazy!!!





Enjoy/indulge - only those who have been can truly understand....BTW - if you think you%26#39;ve got it bad now, wait until you return!!





Sandra




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Hi again - re %26quot;how to tie a scarf%26quot; - where exactly on the Hermes website did you find it?? or forward the doc by email to me? (I suspect there%26#39;ll be a few people wanting this!)





stur3128@bigpond.net.au





Thanks again



Sandra




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Hiya Cedre!





You are NOT crazy! :-) We ALL do the same thing!!! I have spent a small fortune decorating my apartment to look Parisian, and I have a whole library of books on Paris too! The ones I love to read the most are on the topic of French behavior and social stuff (not that it%26#39;s helped me understand the French any better!) So don%26#39;t worry, only your cat thinks you are crazy, and she is allowed! (Super cute kittycat you have, by the way!)





lasscass




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Thanks lasscass...that picture is in fact Cedre ;) I%26#39;ve stollen his name for this forum. He does think I am crazy...but like you said, he%26#39;s allowed. I went and bought ANOTHER Paris book. This one has lots of pictures and a map...not sure if the map is any good, but it will add to my obssessive collection :)





Sandra, I went back to the Hermes website and I couldn%26#39;t find it again, so I sent you the files.




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www.hermes.com/scarves/hermes_scarf.html



Go to the website above and click on %26quot;Playtime with Your Scarf.%26quot;




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Thanks for the files - now I can have some more fun pretending!!!





Sandra




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NO, you%26#39;re certainly not pathetic. We all do what we need to. That%26#39;s why I buy all the French language magazines I can, including cooking magazines, and on rainy days pull out my Paris Cafe music CDs while I%26#39;m puttering in the kitchen. It%26#39;s amazing what a pot of onion soup will do for you!





I think someone mentioned it here a while ago, but I even go to websites and plug in addresses just so that I can look at the buildings in my fave neighborhoods.



http://photos.voila.fr




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Now I%26#39;m intrigued!!





Please tell me how to tie a scarf properly so I too can look tre%26#39; chic%26#39;! I tried the website but couldn%26#39;t find anything...





Yes I%26#39;m another avid fan, I%26#39;m finding myself on this forum every minute of the day that I can get to a pc! 3 weeks to go, the boyfriend thinks he%26#39;s going away for a relaxing weekend- how wrong he is, I%26#39;m already bouncing off the walls!




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Dear Cedre and other women dreaming about scarves.



I am sorry to destroy a dream but scarves are not trendy at all in Paris. Only grandmothers wear scarves in Paris. It is true that some of them can be truly elegant (Hermes) but if you want to look like a young trendy Parisian, do not wear scarves. Show your neck, it is much more feminine.

Travelling alone, Mum with a 6 year old

I an taking my daughter to Paris in July. Just the two of us. It has been many years since I have been to the city and I have never taken a child. Can anyone advise me on a child friendly hotel or apartment, (not too expensive I have to pay adult prices for both of us). In my single days I would have stayed on the left bank around Montparnasse, is this area still relatively safe?, we will be dining out quite late most nights. I would like to be near a well connected railway station as I will be going to Charles de Gaulle Airport, Disneyland, Versailles, Parc de Asterix etc. If I remember correctly French trains are excellent and if I stay pretty central, it is easy enough to walk to the main touristy sites. Where is the best place for my daughter to play with other children, (she makes friends easy and will try a few French phrases). Any must does for children?



Looking forward to your replies




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Have you thought of staying at the Holiday Inn at disneyland?



If you book early on www.ichotels.com , it can be very reasonable.



I did this last year with my son, travelled into Paris (approx 30mins), looked at some sights and then at the end of the day brought a tired boy back to the hotel via the resteraunts in the disney village (two decent ones) or we ate at the hotel.



Certainly child friendly, and the trains run late and seem safe.




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There are some lengthy posts on this subject if you use the search function.



Off hand, I%26#39;d say that you can skip the big amusements parks, as she is really too young to remember it a year or so from now and there is so much to do in the city.



A very French park with rides and close to the center of things is the Jardin d%26#39;Acclimatation, in the Bois de Boulogne. Luxembourg Gardens and the Tuilleries are worth looking into, lots to do and plenty of locals. She will have no problem playing with the kids here...they barely notice language at that age. Merry go rounds are through out the city. The Rodin Gardens are a lovely oasis for families.



Montparnasse is a very safe neighborhood for you and your daughter.




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Thank you, I love the idea of visiting the parks and seeing the sites. I am less keen on the amusement parks, but I think a day trip to Disney will be unavoidable. However as we intend to stay at least a week I am sure that we can compromise on this.




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Found the search facility, but any other advise welcome.




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I don%26#39;t know if this is much help , but, the first time I went to Paris I was 10 yrs old. My mother and sister and I stayed with our grandmother who lived just outside Paris.





Other then going to the Effiel Tower and going on the Seine River boat tour, I didn%26#39;t actually like Paris.



Paris was crowded, hot, and the cars tried to kill you. I was not impressed. I wanted to stay at my grandmothers and play around the neighborhood.



My sister( who was 8) and I played easily with the french children, even without any language( beleive it or not, we spoke no french!)





Oh, yes I also remember enjoying the climb up Notre Dame to see the gargoyles.





I would stay in Paris though if I was you, and just spend the day at Disney, I do beleive there are serveral nice parks in Paris for kids, ( as I am sure you have found out by now)




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I don%26#39;t know if this is much help , but, the first time I went to Paris I was 10 yrs old. My mother and sister and I stayed with our grandmother who lived just outside Paris.





Other then going to the Effiel Tower and going on the Seine River boat tour, I didn%26#39;t actually like Paris.



Paris was crowded, hot, and the cars tried to kill you. I was not impressed. I wanted to stay at my grandmothers and play around the neighborhood.



My sister( who was 8) and I played easily with the french children, even without any language( beleive it or not, we spoke no french!)





Oh, yes I also remember enjoying the climb up Notre Dame to see the gargoyles.





I would stay in Paris though if I was you, and just spend the day at Disney, I do beleive there are serveral nice parks in Paris for kids, ( as I am sure you have found out by now)




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Thanks Joan





I had forgotten the gargoyles, my daughter thinks that sounds like fun. She want to know if you saw the hunchback?




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I agree with phread. There are many things that a child would love in Paris. Letting her play with a sailboat on the pond in the Jardin du Luxembourg would be great for her. She will certainly find plenty of opportunity to interact with other children there!





Letting her get dressed up to go with you to one of the fancy tea-rooms for a chocolat chaud? She will be welcome in just about any restaurant in Paris assuming she knows, as I suspect she does, how to behave in a %26quot;grown-up%26quot; setting.





Many of the Paris museums have areas and activities specifically dedicated to young children. The Cite des Sciences et de l%26#39;Indusrie does, for example. It is a marvellous place for both adults and children if you have any interest at all in how things work and it is almost an amusement park by itself.





Here is the Sciences web page for kids:





cite-sciences.fr/english/…index.htm





I think if you let part of every day be dedicated to her, she will have such a wonderful time in Paris that she will forget about Disney!





You might want to stay a bit closer to the river in the 6th arrondissement. It will be easier for her to walk to a lot of different places that will interest her - the rue de Buci/rue de Seine for a lively market/shopping area, the pont des Arts to listen to musicians and watch the boats on the river - and NO CARS so she can run and play there, the Jardin du Luxembourg just a short disatnce to the south, and so on.





I think she and you might be happy staying in the Marais too, perhaps in a hotel like the Castex (check out the reviews on this site) which is on a charming pedestrian square and close to the Place des Vosges which is another great place for kids and adults.





Kids love to play on the installation of columns of various heights by Daniel Buren in the courtyard of the Palais Royal.





And the Stravinsky fountain with its brightly colored animated sculptures in the square close to the Pompidou is a big hit with children.





If somebody would have let me sit on a cafe terrace in Paris with a Diabolo Fraise or a dish of Berthillon ice cream when I was six I%26#39;d probably never have let my parents take me home!





One other thing - I have rambled on too long already - is that I wouldn%26#39;t let too much time elapse before booking a hotel.





Have a great trip!




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PS: The hunchback is rumored to be sleeping on cardboard boxes behind the BHV and dumpster-dining from the kitchens of the Hotel-Dieu!





:%26gt;)





(Check the thread on %26quot;Hotel-Dieu%26quot; if this reference seems a bit obscure...)




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Irish..that was gross re. the hunchback..but funny!





Gibson123...I%26#39;m sure that you%26#39;ll both have a great time whatever you choose but I guarantee that she won%26#39;t forget about Disney...kids memories are like elephants! You may get back home in Scotland and then she%26#39;ll want to know when you%26#39;re going to see Mickey and Minnie!





I would stay in Paris as the others have suggested and just do a daytrip to Disney.

Clothing must-haves for Paris in October

I%26#39;m planning way ahead (hey, I can hit the sales this season!), but what are some must-have wardrobe items that I should bring for Paris in the middle of October?




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An umbrella.




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A blazer or a wind/rainproof jacket. Comfy jeans and tops.





When I went last year in early October, I had a few heavy sweaters and didn%26#39;t really need them, it was quite warm, but I got a lot of mileage out of my blazer and it added the finishing touch with my jeans (staple). It rained only a few days so you can buy an umbrella there unless you can bring a small one in your luggage.





Also make sure you bring comfy shoes. I had to borrow running shoes from my friend (was staying with her) as the cobblestones were killing my feet (was wearing loafer type of shoes).




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Beyond comfy to supportive and protective shoes.



Two pair wouldn%26#39;t hurt. Put %26quot;shoes%26quot; in the white box



on the upper green strip and hit GO. I think every



possible opinion on shoes is there.

Eurostar Ticket News - New Classes of Travel

Hot off the press comes news that Eurostar is today launching three new/revised classes of travel for journeys from September 1st.



It is ditching first class and premium and replacing them with business premier, leisure select and standard.



Buisness premier includes a 10 minute fast-track check-in, lounge access and optional chauffeur service. Leisure select offers a larger seat pitch, a 30 minute check-in and seated meal and drinks service. (Doesn%26#39;t say if this is included in the price.) Standard offers just a 30 minute check-in and on board bar buffet.



The press release does not relate how many focus groups and PR johnnies it took to come up with the meaningless name Leisure Select!




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Hi Adam - let%26#39;s hope they%26#39;re offering reduced one-way fares, as well. I can%26#39;t belive the price variations, between one-way and return....also, from the different agencies.




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Hey Stur, your best bet is to skip the agencies and go to them directly. eurostar.com. Of course their sigth does not work with my browser, so I have to go to the SNCF sight, but it still avoids the agency fees.




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Followed your advise and booked direct and saved soooo much money.



Got $94 USD RT and booked my London tour separate.





The savings was unreal.





Thanks for the advice




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booked through http://www.eurorailways.com.





They are really great communicating and answered all questions by phone and email.!!!!




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I use the SNCF website to book my EuroStar tickets because I%26#39;ve found it to be consistantly less expensive. I%26#39;ve also found that I can almost always get an even lower fare by repeatedly trying slightly different departure times and dates (when I have that luxury). An example: my last trip to London was 47EUR. The first attempt was over 110EUR, the second was 160EUR, and the voila: 47EUR, just be changing the departure hour. The fares also change for the same departure time/date when you walk away from your PC and then try again later in the day.





I%26#39;ve also noticed that SNCF will place a %26quot;this fare is elegible for a free first class upgrade%26quot; notice on the booking page sometimes. I%26#39;ve only seen it once but an English friend who practically commutes across the channel says he%26#39;s seen it many times.




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adamhornets -





Thanks for popping over from London to give us Francophiles this info. Good to see you on this side of the channel. Hope you enjoyed your visit!




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Phread and geebee - thanks for the advice. I%26#39;ve tried all sites over time - but I%26#39;m more than happy to have another go - and to try different departure times . Previously I%26#39;d stuck to the 8.15 departure from Waterloo - I%26#39;ll revisit that one.




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Thanks Irishrovr,



I pop over to check that my favourite restaurant is still there - Thoumieux - Don%26#39;t tell anyone!




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I was able to get very good rates on Eurostar tickets on autoeurope.com. I received my tickets very quickly, and someone from the company even called me to double check something in my order.




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adamhornets -





Your secret is safe with me!!!





Just slip me a couple of tix to the National and I%26#39;ll never mention it to a soul...





:%26gt;)

Just returned from first trip to Paris

I have been living in Germany for about a year and do not speak French. I traveled to Paris with my mother who has health issues. I did a lot of research on TripAdvisor reading reviews and tips to prepare for this trip and felt comfortable enough to make the arrangements myself and stay 5 days. Thanks to all the other reviewers out there!





METRO: I traveled to Paris by train and intended to take the Metro to my hotel, and between tourist attractions. This is a great idea if you are healthy and pack light. My mother packed light but was very nervous and walking the stairs in the Metro wore her out. If I did it again with her, I would have used a Taxi between the Hotel and Train station. I also would have spent the money and picked a hotel right in the heart of the tourist attractions on a bus/metro line so that we could go back to the room throughout the day. Metro info: www.ratp.info/informer/anglais/index.php







SPEAKING FRENCH: Or in my case, NOT. My best advice is to learn these equivalents if nothing else: Please, Thank you, I don%26#39;t speak French. Don%26#39;t even bother to ask if someone speaks English. If they do, that is nice, and they will speak English when they hear you slaughter simple French phrases, but asking just wastes time and makes you look bad. At the major tourist spots everyone speaks English and most tourist transactions can be managed with %26quot;Please%26quot; and hand gesturing your way through.





METRO PASS AND MUSEUM PASS: These are great but do not buy them on the internet! Most websites charge you an outrageous surcharge (20 Euro or more). I purchased both the Paris Viste and Carte Orange at the Metro station with no hassels. I spoke no French and the clerk spoke no English, but it is pretty obvious what the tourist wants. Beware ticket scalpers, they are right at the ticket counter waiting for you.





HOTEL: I chose my hotel based on TripAdvisor Rank and price. Hotel Porte Doree was #11 when I made reservation in March, it is now #41. My advice to first time travelers to Europe is to adjust your expectations regarding a hotel. The hotels I have stayed at do not have AC, may not have an elevator, and in Paris will definately be on the street and you will hear street noise. If these things are a problem for you look for a newer (aka more expensive) hotel, or do not stay in the city.





RUDENESS/VAGRANTS: BEWARE people asking %26quot;Do you speak English?%26quot; The Parisians were quite friendly, the rude people were the ones that speake English with the desire to scam you. I had a simple rule to ignore people that asked %26quot;Do you speak English?%26quot; But even I was taken in by by a sweet looking middle aged woman on the Metro Platform, when I said %26quot;yes%26quot;, she smiled and asked for money. When I declined she insulted me and applauded my departure all the way down the Metro ramp.





RESTAURANT FOOD: 50% of the time we ordered food we were told it wasn%26#39;t available (even quiche and pasta of the day). I don%26#39;t know what we did wrong, so all I can do is advise a visit to the grocery store. We tried going to dinner later, verifying we were using the correct menu (snack instead of lunch) but no luck. Our last night we were tired and hungry and the thought of trying to get food was depressing so we just went to McDonald%26#39;s. YES WE DID! The fries are just as good in Paris.





All in all we had a wonderful time and didn%26#39;t go broke doing it.




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Thanks for your comments! All these little tidbits of info help me feel more prepared for anything that might present itself. What%26#39;s with the food though? What time of day were you going for lunch and dinner? Has anyone else out there had this problem?




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The first time we went to dinner around 6pm, the next around 12pm to the same restaurant, and they did not have quiche or pasta of the day either time. A different restaurant we visited before 11am, so we had to get the %26quot;snack%26quot; lunch, which didn%26#39;t have the first two items we ordered. We had no problem ordering at at an Italian restaurant and went around 7-8pm. Good luck.




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6 pm is far too early for dinner, 11 am far too early for lunch. 7-8pm is normal for dinner.





This problem may arise because in France themeal schedules is slightly different from what you are used to.




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I had a similar problem by eating too late. We went to dinner at 10:30 at night or something like that %26amp; they didn%26#39;t have the prix fixe menu anymore, so we just ordered a la carte (which had some of the same dishes anyway).




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It looks like we%26#39;ll have to plan our meals accordingly. Thanks for the info.




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Thanks for your trip notes. Had to kind of laugh at the little old lady applauding you all the way down the Metro ramp. I%26#39;m sure I would have been tricked by her too.





BTW, I personally don%26#39;t see what the fuss is about eating at MacDonald%26#39;s. We are taking our teenage sons with us on our Paris trip this summer, and I won%26#39;t be surprised if they want some familiar food.




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I agree with you on several points you%26#39;ve made. WE took my mom a few years ago and she was having a problem with her knee. It was hard on all of us just getting her from place to place on the metro with all those steps. At the time I had never sed the buses and was scared we%26#39;d get lost. Now I take the bus all the time and I wish I%26#39;d done it then.





I get so exhausted some days from all of the walking that I just want to put my jammies on and kick back and watch tV or read by 8 PM so when that happens and I%26#39;m in a hotel I get takeout. (usually a chicken or a pizza or some chinese)





On our last visit we gat an apartment for the first time. We usually ate our dinners in the apartment and our lunches out and about.




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Sounds like you had an interesting experience!! Thanks for the heads up. I don%26#39;t know where your getting your Mcdonalds frech fries but ours are like hollowed out cardboard!!!lol. Thanks for the notes




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We also just returned from our first visit to Paris, and I must say that I agree with Denys that your meal timing was simply off. I know you said that you have lived in Germany for some time, but I guess that%26#39;s just one of those cultural differences: people in Paris eat their formal %26quot;dejeuner%26quot; and %26quot;diner%26quot; at slightly later times than you expected.





We found that most restaurants don%26#39;t take reservations for dinner until 6:30 or 7pm, so you have to expect problems if you insist on showing up at 5!





Between official meal times, however, it%26#39;s really easy to find tons of good food. Cafes, brasseries, creperies . . . they%26#39;re all over the place, and the range of possibilities (omelets, crepes, salads, cheese plates, pastries, etc.) is HUGE. So you don%26#39;t really have to worry about the formal meal times when hunger strikes. Just have something light at a cafe and hit the restaurant later. . . at least that%26#39;s what we did.





As for your hotel experience, I must say that our Hotel Muguet in the 7th arr. was pretty close to perfection for us. The price was very reasonable (108 Euros per night, Queen bed), close to the Invalides and Eiffel Tower, with air conditioning . . . and it was incredibly clean. I actually posted a review elsewhere, so I won%26#39;t go on here.





Anyway, I%26#39;m glad that your bottom line was that you had a wonderful time. I%26#39;m especially impressed with the way you took care of your mother, with her physical limitations. She%26#39;ll always be grateful to you for that!

Has anyone used www.accomline.com to book a hotel? Hotel...

I pre-booked my hotel online directly through their website (Hotel D%26#39;Albe). I just have seen the same room, but with a buffet breakfast for 120 euro total less. I e-mailed hotel with a screen print asking them to match the rates and telling them if they can%26#39;t I will cancel with them and book through the website. Is it doable? Will the hotel retaliate by not providing the room I want? What to do?!




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Personally, I would not want to stay there after canceling and rebooking, especially since they would know it.





It might have gone a bit smoother if you had asked them to match the rate but left out the bit about %26#39;if you can%26#39;t I%26#39;ll cancel%26quot;..they might have obliged your request.





and no one can say how the hotel might %26#39;retaliate%26#39;. Paris hotels do have very dissimilar rooms and often don%26#39;t assign them until you check in.





You might want to look for a different hotel... either way this goes, you might not be happy.




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I have not cancelled yet, I am awaiting for their responce in re-booking. Actually, this hotel would have been perfect with breakfast included and all, they have been pretty agreeable on the phone. I will follow up with a phone call and if it can%26#39;t be worked out, I will search for another hotel within the same location. I hope they will be understanding and not take it personally: It is not personal, it is business. I am willing to tip the front desk person for a good room, or a manager, I am even willing to mention it in the follow-up phone call. Is it ethical in France? I know it works like a charm in NY and Canada and Carribean and Mexico.





What do you think? And no, it is not: %26quot;Here come Americans, waiving their dollars and buying up the world%26#39;s affection%26quot; It is simply a tip for a job well done.

accomodation/hotel in St Germain or Montmartre

My husband and 1 year old are travelling to belgium, paris and rome on the 29th. I was able to book a hotel with ease with advice from trip advisor travellers but am finging it difficult to find hotel for paris. Can i have suggestions from the rest of you. OF what i read i should be looking in St germain or Montmartre area. Please help!!




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Hi All,



i forgot to mention (silly me!!) - i will be in Paris from July 3rd to July 6th so i will need accomodation for 3 nights.




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I don%26#39;t think you should be looking at the %26quot;Montmartre%26quot; area (18th arr. if this is your first visit to Paris - although there is a romantic nostalgia about Montmartre, in truth it can be a bit trampled and down-scale, and involves more transit every day to get to %26#39;the sights%26#39;.





St Germain is very centrally located and also very popular - there are lots of hotels there, tending to be a bit more expensive. %26quot;St Germain%26quot; overlaps parts of the 5th, 6th and 7th arrondissements...





The edge of St Germain and MontPARNASSE is also a nice area, close to Jardin de Luxembourg, lots of cafes and shops. Several nice hotels around rue Vavin, blvd Montparnasse, blvd Raspail.





Some good %26#39;value%26#39; hotels to investigate:





Hotel St Paul St Germain (6th) - has A/Chttp://www.hotelsaintpaulparis.com/





Hotel Delavigne (6th) - no a/c



http://www.delavigne-paris-hotel.com/





Hotel le Clement (6th) - has A/C



http://www.hotel-clement.fr/





Hotel Michelet Odeon (6th) - no a/c



parishotels.com/Hotel_Michelet_Odeon_star_en…







Hotel St Thomas d%26#39;Aquin (7th) - no a/chttp://www.aquin-paris-hotel.com/





Hotel Delambre (14th) - has A/C




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Oops..





http://www.delambre-paris-hotel.com/




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I also vote for St. Germain and the Hotel St. Paul. We stayed there May 2004 and it was wonderful. Friendly, helpful, polite staff. Nice rooms. VERY convenient location but on a very quiet street (good at the end of the day when you%26#39;re tired.)




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though I should add, I didn%26#39;t feel the St. Paul was a value/budget hotel. It was nicely appointed and furnished. It%26#39;s not posh or extravagant, but it%26#39;s not dismal and plain either.




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Have a look at the Hotel Central Saint Germain, a nice 3 star hotel that have benn newly renovated...They have air conditionning..It is a really nice hotel in Saint Germain des Pres.



http://www.centralstgermain.com



Staff really nice, near metro stops Odeon and Saint Michel...



Have a nice trip!




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That%26#39;s what I meant by %26quot;value%26quot;- a good meeting of price/location/decor/comfort. Not a high-end, expensive hotel but not a bare-bones budget hotel either.




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my mistake then travelnutty... I always took %26quot;value%26quot; to mean one notch above a flophouse. no harm, no foul. I didn%26#39;t realize how protective I am of my dear little St. Paul :)




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Hi justgrace, travelnutty and audirennes - thankyou for your wonderful suggestions and website links. I called all these hotels and guess what - they are all booked. ByGolly i am soo late. i am still looking and have narrowed my quest for hotels in Notre dame and St Germain area. If you have any more suggestions do let me know. thanks again.




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These came up on %26quot;laterooms.com%26quot; as being available. (I prefer to contact hotels directly myself, have given the webs for you)...





BW Aramis St Germain - has A/C



http://hotel-aramis-paris.com/en_index.htm





BW Agora St Germain - has A/C



http://www.agora-paris-hotel.com/





Hotel Saint Beuve - A/C



parischarminghotels.net/saint_beuve_hotel_ch…





Hotel Atelier Montparnasse (don%26#39;t think they have A/C)



http://www.atelier-paris-hotel.com/

Gay Pride Parade Route

Do any of the locals know the route for this years Pride Parade on 25th June. We will be there that weekend and wondered whether it will affect L%26#39;open bus tour routes. I know that it is centered around the Marais, but does it affect much of the rest of the city?




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According to the poster it begins at 1:30 at Montparnasse and ends up at the Bastille for a dance party from 5pm to 9pm.




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Thanks phread, my itinerary has us doing Eiffel Tower as soon as it opens then the Grand Tour on L%26#39;open Bus, then the rest of the afternoon in Monmartre before going on to our concert at Parc Des Princes. So I take it none of that would be affected too much! Just didn%26#39;t want to have my itinerary affected too much as we%26#39;re only there for 2 whole days and 2 half days!




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You would not notice any change IF you take the subway. Don%26#39;t even think of taking a bus or a taxi, as the whole city surface traffic is impacted.




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The whole city%26#39;s streets affected, Denys?? Oh drat!! I arrive that day and was hoping to take the Open Bus Tour.





I found this English web page, with map (click on the pic near bottom of page)





marche.inter-lgbt.org/article.php3…





When comparing to the map of routes on the L%26#39;Open Tour site I see they use the same streets for their orange route (near stops 31 %26amp; 32)and the blue route (near stops 70 %26amp; 71).





Les Cars Rouges doesn%26#39;t use these streets but if all the streets are busy the bus tours are going to be slow.





Any ideas what we should do? Go early? Do something else? (We%26#39;ll be horribly jet lagged, too!)




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Helking, I%26#39;ve emailed L%26#39;Open Tours to ask what the arrangements will be on the 25th. If I receive an answer I%26#39;ll post. (They may never comprehend my French!)




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Cheers CKandK, that would be really helpful. I think the only part of my plan it%26#39;s likely to affect is the bus tour, if that%26#39;s the case I may have to swap things around between days....and I%26#39;ve spent so long getting my itinerary just perfect!




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Paris is usually suffering of lots of traffic jams. When there is a public demonstration that monopolizes a large part of the main axis then there is some effects!





The gay pride goes this way :





Montparnasse



Boulevard Saint-Michel



A 1/3 of Boulevard Saint Germain



Bastille.





The traffic around those places will be likely really difficult. On the westerner sites (TourEiffel, Champs Elysees, Invalides) the impact would be less important but you can expect some more trafic jams than usually.




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Thanks Denys, I was planning on doing the 2 hour Grand Tour route on L%26#39;open bus, probably from around 10.30 in the morning.




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Hey Helking! I got a reply to my email from L%26#39;Open tour. It was as follows:





%26lt;%26lt;Our buses operate this day, but the lines can be changed, and if there are many disruptions some can be closed.%26gt;%26gt;





So it sounds to me as though they will be playing it by ear somewhat according to how it pans out on the day. We are due to arrive in Paris very early in the morning so I%26#39;m thinking we might try to do the main grand tour (green) route first thing to see the really big sites and then abandon it if traffic starts to spoil the tour in favour of a Seine cruise or, even the dreaded Eiffel Tower queues.





I wonder if you would be able to see the parade from the Eiffel Tower?? Perhaps the Samaritaine roof would be better. Any ideas Denys? (Oh, yes, I realise you would only be seeing it in the distance - that%26#39;s all I meant - not a clear view of each float).




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Thanks CkandK, I am going to do the same as you and do the Grand Tour route very early the first bus starts running at 9.30am. I think you have more chance of seeing the parade from Samaritaine than Eiffel Tower, not sure!

3 questions. Hotel for family of 4. Where to Busk. Used...

I%26#39;m traveling with my husband and two kids (9 %26amp;15). It seems impossible to find Paris hotel rooms where the the kids can sleep with us. It%26#39;s bad enough feeding these two kids (champange tastes), but TWO hotel rooms? The 9 yo wants escargot. I haven%26#39;t been having a lot of luck with apartments. (we are traveling on pretty short notice - end of June)





I%26#39;d like to find something pleasant for under $150 US. I%26#39;ve heard some hotels offer 50% off 2nd adjoining rooms but I can%26#39;t seem to find any.





As for requirements, I%26#39;m pretty easy. Close to a metro station, preferably one on two lines is most desirable. As for neighborhoods, I%26#39;m intrigued by the Marais and Rue Cler as I haven%26#39;t stayed there before and they look interesting.





On a different topic. My 9yo is a viola player and would like to busk (street musician) while in Paris. She is cute and quite good and finds it both fun and lucrative. Any suggestions that would be near your hotel recommendations of where she can go to play. The better the money the longer she plays. I%26#39;ll use any excuse to get her to practice while on vacation...





Lastly I%26#39;d like to find a good bookstore, preferably used, for children%26#39;s books (elementary reader age) in French. Last time I picked up a few books in a department store, but the selection wasn%26#39;t great for young readers. French books at home are so expensive. Asterix comics are over $20.





Thanks for the help




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Busking - noy sure what the rules are regarding this, nor where to find out but two obvious places spring to mind - one of the entry arches to the big courtyard of the Louvre (not the part with the pyramids), or the Pont Des Arts early evening time. However I strongly suggest you do some research into the legalities.





Books - the FNAC chain has %26#39;FNAC Junior%26#39; branches at 19 rue Vavin in the 6th, the Cour St Emillion at Bercy, 148 av Victor Hugo in the 16th and 15 rue courcelles in the 17th. For other bookshops go to www.pagesjaunes.fr (site available in English) and do a search.




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Regarding the books, we had a good exchange earlier this month about the used book market at Parc George Brassens. Open weekends all day. Go to the green search bar at the top of the page and enter %26quot;Bouquinistes at Parc Georges Brassens%26quot; and you%26#39;ll see the thread.




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Thanks for the link to the Parc George Brassens but that looks to be the opposite of what I%26#39;m looking for.





By used books, I mean fairly new editions that have been read and are being resold cheap.





CeeJay, we%26#39;ll try the FNAC if we can%26#39;t find used books.



Thanks




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Books: Gibert Joseph on (and around) Blvd. St. Michel sells used children%26#39;s books and comics from bins on the sidewalk. There%26#39;s a concentration of book shops around that part of the latin quarter.





Busking is illegal in the Metro unless you audition for one of the 150 permits the RATP issues.





The Police Nationale are pretty laid back when it comes to victimless crimes. Parisians letting their dog p**p on the sidewalk seems to me a lot worse crime than letting your 9 yo play the viola for a little copper. I really don%26#39;t think you need to worry much.





That said, the big money is near Metro station entrances in central Paris. As has been recommended, check out the legality...





I really think it%26#39;s a charming thing to do. Your daughter will always be able to tell the story of her %26quot;busking days%26quot; in Paris. Too bad violas don%26#39;t fold up for easy packing though.





If you email me when you know when/where she%26#39;s going to play, I%26#39;d love to snap a picture of her busking. progressyve@yahoo.com




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%26lt;%26gt; Hotel Lyon Mulhouse 100-115Euro/ Quad



france-paris.com/1-hotel-paris/…index-gb.htm





%26lt;%26gt; Hotel Excelsior 98-110Euro/ Quad



www.excelsiorlatin.com/Pages/USTarifs.html




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We rented the La Belle Epoque apartment from www.perfectlyparis.com. This worked out great. There are two bedrooms both with own private bath. There is a double bed in each room. Mom and dad in one and one or two kids in the other. Also has a fold out couch in the living room and a roll away bed that can be set up anywhere. We had three adults and two kids (9 and 6) and we were very comfortable. There is another half bath too! We put the roll away in the dining room which also has a small love seat and sitting area. My son slept on the sofa, my daughter on the roll away and adult in the two bedrooms. This apartment is in a working class area--not touristy at all. The neighborhood was safe and the apartment was clean and well equipped. The rate is great for LOTS of space. Apartments offer a family so much. You can sit around in your PJ%26#39;s in the living room and discuss your next days outing in the comfort of your %26quot;own home%26quot; instead of a hotel lobby. You can eat in the middle of the night for free and you can save money by eating in occasionally--breakfast works out great with wonderful baked goods from the local bakery. We were never more than 15 minutes away by metro to anywhere we wanted to see. Check this place out--the owner Gail was great. Tell her Randi sent you--we stayed there in Feb. Oh, you can pack less too, as there is a washer and dryer in the apt.




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Thank you cybertraveler. I definately found that an apartment was the way to go and I did find what looks to be a fine one in the 7e. It seems to be the best way for families to travel. Since we only needed three nights and are traveling at the end of this month, finding one was a little challenging.




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I%26#39;ve been mulling over your busking question, because my 8 year old has been nagging me to do the same. I have always said no.



I am concerned about safety. The metro entrances and other obvious places have their regulars who consider this a career and would not necessarily take kindly to the added competition.



Saturday I found a solution... a girl was playing cello at our local market. She had set up between two of the stalls, had her music stand and a stool and played her heart out. The weekend markets are crowded and everyone walking by had their pockets full of change, so she seemed to be doing well financially.




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I think the best place for busking would be on the Pont des Arts (right by the Lourve). even if she wasn%26#39;t playing it%26#39;s always a great spot to spend an evening, once you%26#39;ve got a bottle of wine on you !







www.atkielski.com/inlink.php…





%26quot; It is a popular spot for strollers and romantic young couples, since the view from either side of the bridge is splendid, and it gets away from the traffic noise that plagues most of Paris. There are occasional art shows and other events on the bridge, and it isn���t unusual to see people painting or sketching here. %26quot;




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I spent four days in Paris last week with my sons (ages 12 and 15). Using this website and some guidebooks, I found an affordable place with family-sized rooms. It%26#39;s called Hotel des Bains Montparnasse. It%26#39;s in the Montparnasse area in the 14e. For 122 euros a night, we had a family room with 2 separate bedrooms. The boys stayed in the bedroom with 2 twin beds, and I took the one with a double bed. We had plenty of space. There was a modern bathroom with a shower.



The hotel is in a quiet, residential area. There%26#39;s a Metro stop on either corner of the block. Although the hotel offers breakfast for an extra charge, we got breakfast every morning at a boulangerie/pattiserie a few doors down. There%26#39;s also a neat little laundromat on the block. The hotel is across from a grammar school. It%26#39;s safe and quiet at night, and there are plenty of restaurants in the area.

Bernard Loiseau

Has anyone had recent experience of eating at Bernard Loiseau%26#39;s Cote d%26#39;Or?





I%26#39;ve always wanted to visit. And now I may have a chance. But given his passing away, wondered if it was still worth visiting?





Also, how much would dinner cost at a 3 Star restaurant?






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Hi Caian,





We live about 20 miles away from L%26#39;Oiseau%26#39;s and although we haven%26#39;t ate there recently, we have been getting mixed reports from our friends about the quality of the food now that he is no longer around. Everyone seems to tell us that L%26#39;Esperance, Marc Meneau%26#39;s place in St Pere sous Vezelay is much better and also a delight to stay at. Hope this helps..... Dinner at a 3 star such as L%26#39;esperance or L%26#39;Oiseau will set you back somewhere in the region of 150 euros ( $225)per person without wine. If you are down near Macon, there is a wonderful one star restaurant there called Pierre with a wonderful menu degustation gourmande menu for i believe 58 euros. Well worth the detour. Hope this helps.




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sorry, my last post should have said 180 euros not 150 euros for a meal at a Michelin 3 star restaurant....




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Thank you so much for your advice. And since you are %26quot;in the neighborhood%26quot;, could I trouble you for any other recommendations?





We will be staying 2 nights in the area and so will have a full day to spend. I was hoping to drive through Cote Beaune to try to visit Meurseult and Montrachet. I%26#39;m still thinking of doing this but since we%26#39;ll be there on Sunday, I%26#39;m not sure if anything will be open. We will be there in August.





Any thoughts or advice would be very much appreciated.

Driving southern France

We are going to fly into Nice, rent a car for touring Provence and end up in Lyons, dropping the car ther and taking the train to Paris. Anyone have any suggestions as to the best car rental company? I have always heard a lot of horror stories about car rental in Europe.






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I have rented cars in Europe dozens of times in at least a half dozen countries, most frequently in France. I cannot recall ever having a significant problem.





Most of my rentals have been from Europcar, and I have for many years booked through a small local agency. I think most people here who have used autoeurope.com have been happy with their service and prices, but do a search on the forums to confirm this. I have not used them myself. You will almost certainly save quite considerably by booking and paying for your car in $$ before leaving for France.





Avis and Hertz have also been satisfactory on the odd occasions I have used them.





I%26#39;m curious though. What are these horror stories you have heard?





Bonne route!

self-identifying yourself as a Canadian

My friends have suggested that I have a maple leaf patch sewed on to my purse to self-identify myself as a Canadian while travelling. Suggested is putting it mildly. They are practially insisting on it. They seem to think that since Canadians are loved world-wide (their words, not mine!) I%26#39;d get treated better in Paris (and Germany too, which is my other destination). I personally think that if you behave yourself and be polite and courteous then you are better treated, and people don%26#39;t just automatically treat you well based on a maple leaf flag patch on your purse. I don%26#39;t have a problem with putting the patch on my purse...actually I think it might help me meet other Canadians, but I thought I%26#39;d ask your opinion. Do you think it%26#39;s tacky? Do you think it%26#39;s a good idea? Do you think it%26#39;s the dumbest thing you%26#39;ve ever heard of? Would you do it if you were in my shoes?





As a side note...I don%26#39;t know why, but I am excited to be celebrating Canada Day (July 1st) in Paris. Kinda weird eh?




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The suggestion is a sort of bizarre twist on the mistaken belief that the French don%26#39;t like Americans...and by announcing yourself as a Canadian you%26#39;ll somehow be treated better.





As for meeting Canadians...well, that%26#39;s easy, they%26#39;ll all be down along the quais of the Seine. They%26#39;ll be the ones wondering where the Blue Lines are and thinking that the bateaux mouches are odd looking Zambonis.




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Cedre -





I think your thought about being polite and considerate



will bring you much more than a maple leaf.





Why not be excited about celebrating Canada Day in



Paris. Years ago I was excited about celebrating



4Th of July in Bath, England.





btw - one of my oldest friends, Carole Didier, was the



President of the Victoria Chamber of Commerce



a number of years ago.




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Y%26#39;all bring back a very fond memory.



In 1983, I was a young US airman and we were on temporary duty to Zaragoza, Spain. For the fourth of July, we were in the quaint and wonderful (to a single man) little village of Sitges, on the Med.



We had such a great time there, especially at midnight of the third, when we went around to all the Brit bars singing the Star Spangled Banner! They had a good laugh and it was all in fun.





Boy you Brits (and Aussies too, but that%26#39;s another story) are a great group to party with!! Oh, the wonderful days of youth.




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Unless you speak French, they will hate you whether you are Canadian or American, lol. Kidding!!




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Most of the tourists traveling around with maple leaves sewn on to their travel gear are Americans worried about their reception abroad. It has been going on for at least 20 years and by now no one believes those leaves are ina anyway a reflections of the carriers%26#39; nationality.



They only belive my husband when he starts speaking frnech and a hint of the QUebecois twang sneaks out.




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That is the silliest thing I%26#39;ve heard yet. They will probably think you flipped you lid, so to speak. Have been to Paris twice in the past six month and there is no problem. Oh...I am American.




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Did you ever speak to a Parisian pretending to be a Canadian? They should expect you to speak French...




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Cedre, how typical of us Canadaians, we actually worry that wearing our own flag might offend someone else, or be tacky!



How many Americans think wearing their flag might be tacky or offensive?



I of course agree with you that just being polite and trying to speak a bit of french is the best way to go, BUT, if you want to wear a Canadain pin or flag, etc., then do so proudly , and don%26#39;t be embarrassed!





I have seriously considered having a t Shirt printed to wear that says %26#39;%26#39;Yes, I %26#39;m a Canadain Tourist , Eh!%26quot; We seem to worry so much about blending in and not looking like the tourists we are!




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You are right to thi nk that the only good way is to be polite, as long as you are nice and polite to us, we will be nice to you. I am not sure anyway French are big fans of people wandering around with their national flag sewn or stuck somewhere, it would rather put me off as being too much %26quot;show off%26quot;. Just be yourself and you will be welcomed nicely i am sure.




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Funny. This posts makes me think about when I was in the US just after Chirac our president refused to help americans in the Iraq War. I felt so bad about this that when people asked me where I was from, I answered %26quot;well, I am from...Belgium!!!%26quot;. I was afraid to be bad treated if I told the truth!! So stupid from me to think so...

i'm leaving in adelaide, australia in may for 4 months!

hi everybody!



well just to let you know that i am going to do a training course in australia, in adelaide, and i%26#39;m leaving in may!! it was so quick, i am between crying because i will miss my animals so much, and excitation. i%26#39;m also very afraid. well if some people from here are from adelaide and want to give some advice :) i don%26#39;t know yet where i am going to stay, in a house but don%26#39;t know if it%26#39;s in the centre or a bit outside.



it seems that the people will take care of me very nicely, i go to the house of my godmother (oops i almost re-made the mistake of putting mother in law, i don%26#39;t know why), that is well known in adelaide and has got jewellerys. I will probably work on a software, but i%26#39;m not sure yet. well i think i don%26#39;t realize i%26#39;m leaving for 4 months, i cried i cried thinking of leia my dog i will miss so much, and that i%26#39;m leaving so far away where i don%26#39;t know anybody, for 4 months!!



well i just wanted to tell you that :P so if i don%26#39;t come a lot or maybe no more during 4 months you will know why :)




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Alex -





What a wonderful opportunity! I am sure you are going to have a great time.





Your animlas willbe so happy to see you when you return.





If you are too busy to come here to give us your great advice and ideas, you will surely be missed!





Adelaide gagne surement au change!





Cheers!





Loudon-




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Alex,





Since this seems like your 2nd home :), just find a computer and we%26#39;re just a couple keystrokes away. You have lots of friends here!




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thanks for your messages :) i will try to post of course, but i mean, i will have so many things to discover in australia, that i will probably not come a lot, at least not the first month. but i still don%26#39;t realize, 4 months is soooo long!! i%26#39;ve never done that. i%26#39;m afraid, but i%26#39;m sure it will be a good experience.




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Alex,



Congratulations on your upcoming move to Australia.



I have a friend who has been living there during the summers, when she%26#39;s not in university and she LOVED it...so much that she is now engaged to an Australian...hahaha! I knew that was bound to happen. Who knows what can happen down under!?





You%26#39;re excited about Australia and I%26#39;m excited because I%26#39;ll be in Paris this Sunday...wooohoo!! finally!




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Alexth82,





You have posted so much good advice; we



will miss you while you are gone and happy



for your return. Pease stay in touch via



computer and respond if you have time.




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Alex,





Oh such a wonderful opportunity for you. Four months will fly by and you will be home again. Had a daughter go to Juno Alaska on her job and a son to Tiawain. While both had bouts of homesickness and occasionally even hate for where they were stuck, they also have fantastic memories and could not imagine now not having gone. They were both gone for almost 2 years. Four months will go fast....maybe too fast if you love it there, and not too long if you dont.





Please do post when you can. We will all miss you. I love your imput. Thank you very much.





Bonne voyage,





Bea




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What a great opportunity, alexth... I went to Paris for four months as a student and now look where I am today!!!



Have fun!!!




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thank you very much you all :D i will stay in touch, but surely not as often as now ;)




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Hey alexth82, Adelaide is a great place! I live here! I think you will find it%26#39;s a friendly place as well. When in May are you coming? What suburb will you be staying in? We leave for Europe on May 15th. and will be away for nine weeks. Four months is not really all that long. It will probably fly by and before you know it, you%26#39;ll be going back home again.




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Alex, just think---now you%26#39;ll have to post on an Australia thread. %26quot;Is it true that Australians are rude to French people?%26quot; %26quot;Will the Australians laugh at my funny clothes?%26quot; %26quot;Will the Australians make fun of my bad accent?%26quot; I guess turn-about is fair play!





Have fun down under!

*~Run4Fun is back with Trip Report of Paris

Hello Gang,



Sorry it took so long to post this report, I came home to problems, Grandfather had heartattack. So after much thought and typing, here is my report.





WEDNESDAY We took the Eurostar over from our ten day stay in London I%26#39;ve posted that report on the London Forum. We learned that arriving to the Waterloo Station to early is a waste of time, be sure and only arrive 30 minutes early they won���t allow boarding until 20 minutes before departure. The trains are very fast and clean. We encounter 1 hr. delay since a train is in our path and we have to back up and change tracks. We find an hour wait for a taxi once we arrive; it only cost 12.5 Euro from train to hotel. We are approached my many cab drives trying to get us to pay 80 Eruo for our trip. I remembered what Trip Adv. People said and tell them NO, Ha! We finally arrive at our crappy little hotel. We are disappointment all around. That night we take a boat tour up the Seine and see the Eiffel Tower, Louvre, and National Assembly, Lady Liberty so many others I can���t even remember, now we are beginning to enjoy Paris.





SATURDAY I try the crepe with Nutello for breakfast, it���s good but a bit sweet. We shop for all sorts of things, near Notre Dam. The street vendors are by the dozen. They sell everything from postcards, old magazines, watercolors, oil painting, miniature landmarks, etc. We sit and have coffee at a little shop and take pictures with some Asian gals.





SUNDAY Nutello crepe again, lol. Flea Market is huge, but everything is duplicated 10X���s its crazy to see the same stuff again and again. We eat one of our best meals in an Italian restaurant where the owner serves us the food. Dinner was fantastic pasta and salad, yummy. We had so much Mediterranean food I could just spit. I discover an Internet Caf�� close to the hotel, so I check it out. 30 minutes for 2 Euro, 1 hour is 3 Euro, great deal. Even offer phone calls for a few Euros, cheaper then hotel. I���ll be back.





MONDAY Off to the Louvre and the Mona Lisa, 8.50 Euro. She���s got a huge mob in front of her. No order to the madness, it���s like 40 people deep and I have to sliver through the mass to see her. Prepare yourself for large crowed if you go any time but opening. We also get to see Napoleon the II apartments that he lived in. I���ve never seen such luxury, wow gold and red velvet everywhere. After checking out the museum, which has no English or any other language other then French, we head off to shop. Going down to the Galleria Lafayette area was great. We bought some cosmetics then headed back to see if mom felt better. She had been suffering from exhaustion. After dinner at a familiar restaurant, over priced, we headed to the Eiffel 10.70 Euro to go to the top level. Denise refused to go up, afraid that the top was open, but mustarded up enough courage to do it anyway. I was very excited, and was going with or without her. We got to the top and it was all caged in, no more fear and so beautiful. We could see for miles, the tower stands at 1050 ft. tall. Head back to Internet Caf�� to meet my 11 year old daughter and hubby on the net. We talk for close to an hour and it���s terrific to see each other. Its midnight when we finish and I RUN back to my hotel, it���s still buzzing with people and I feel quite safe. I don���t take a chance though and run so no one will attempt to speak to me. Hee hee





TUESDAY One last pastry from France, yummy. I���ve had the same pastry since I���ve been here. We are all off to the Musee d���Invalid to see Napoleon Bonaparte���s Tomb, 7 Euro, worth every penny. It���s a huge building once a hospital for military individuals. This is my third favorite moment. I take loads of photos and then we are off to the Musee d���Orsay 7.50 Euro. I love this museum. I love the Monet, Degas, Van Gough, etc. The place is amazing and beautiful. Off for Chinese food and it���s good and different. Thank God for that.



Wednesday ��� Back to USA on Air France.





PARIS Thoughts I had about Paris....



Tried to use French as much as possible, it helped; people were willing to help me. I think I had some fooled.



Went to internet caf�� and saw my daughter on it. It was a great moment. �� hr for 2 Euro, 1 hr. for 3 Euro, not bad deal. Keyboards are different, the M, A, Q, W, Z, are in different places. Interesting trying to figure it out. Ugh



Markets are amazing, especially the flea markets, fun.



French pastry for 1.5 ��� 1.9 Euro



It stays light out until around 10 pm in May, that���s unbelievable.





Overall, I loved Paris once I got comfortable with the surounding area and my use of French. The bad beginning didn%26#39;t help our attitudes in the beginning, but changed as time passed. I did enjoy my stay very much. Please post any questions you might have.





Cheers, Run4Fun




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thanks for the good trip report - what flea market do you refer to on sunday?




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Hi Run - thanks for the post - and I read your London post too. What%26#39;s the deal with the cab ride ?? I haven%26#39;t checked other threads about this - do we need to ask up front what the cost will be?? I%26#39;ll be going from the train station to the 7th. How will I know I%26#39;m not being ripped off?.



Thanks.




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Do you remember where the internet cafe is? That sounds like a great deal. If you can remember the address or at least general place- Did you make any phone calls? How were they? Thanks.




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TAXI: you should be fine if you go to the official TAXI RANK outside Gare du Nord. Avoid anyone who walks up to you in the station or just at the door by the taxi rank, offering a ride.





You walk out to the taxi rank, and usually there is a %26#39;monitor%26#39; who makes sure the first taxi waiting in line gets the next fare (unless your party needs a minivan or something like that).





My experienced is that a taxi from Gare du Nord to the Left Bank (5th, 6th, 7th) should cost between 9-15 Euro. A few more euro depending on number of bags/passengers.





A taxi further south - 13th, 14th, 15th - might cost more like 15-20 Euro, roughly estimated.



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The point being: it doesn%26#39;t cost 80 Euro for a taxi from CDG to Paris, much less a couple of kilometers across Paris.



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note to travelnutty - is it still a good idea for me to ask how much before we get in - it will be my husband and two children (age 8 and 10). I%26#39;m really trying hard to brush up on my french, but i%26#39;ll probably still be confused.



thanks




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out of curiousity, which hotel did you stay at?




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Mustseeparis Travelnutty is right on the money, please take his advice and only speak to the cabbies that are lined up for the cue. Anyone who approaches will rip you off. If you want to know how much a cab should cost, ask a Trip Adv. person. That%26#39;s what I did, I posted the station to my hotel and asked the general cost, somone said 12 Euro another said 8 Euro. Don%26#39;t be scared to ask...we don%26#39;t know who you are.





As for the taxi to CDG, it cost us 55 Euro for three ladies with a ton of luggage, so they sent a mini van. We each spent 20 US dollars for that, and it%26#39;s worth the money. Your hotel conceirge should be abel to give you options for this leg of the trip, just ask what%26#39;s available. We had a shuttle that picks up others for 54 Euro or our own van for 55 Euro a preset price. Best of luck and keep the questions headed this way if you need help.





JustGrace The hotel we stayed in was Blackston Opera Hotel, 12 Rue de Parme, Paris. It%26#39;s in theater district and not so nice, sagging beds, rude desk guy, no coffee in your room, etc.





Let me know if you have any other questions. Goodluck




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%26gt; is it still a good idea for me to ask how much before we get in?





You can ask but because it%26#39;s metered it%26#39;ll only be a rough guess at the overall price. If you%26#39;re in a cab that doesn%26#39;t have the meter running then it%26#39;s time to find a new cab!




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%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;is it still a good idea for me to ask how much before we get in - it will be my husband and two children (age 8 and 10). I%26#39;m really trying hard to brush up on my french, but i%26#39;ll probably still be confused.%26lt;%26lt;%26lt;





FIRST...you should use ONLY taxis with a TAXI PARISIEN dome light on the roof. These are all properly licensed cabs. Each taxi will have a meter and when you get in, the %26#39;..drop..%26#39; should be 2 Euro (unless you have telephoned to have a taxi sent to your location and then the meter begins running from wherever the taxi was when the driver received the radio-call). When you get into a taxi that hasn%26#39;t been radio-dispated to the location, take notice of the amount on the meter. If it is more than the initial 2 Euro %26#39;..drop..%26#39;. make sure the driver resets it. This happens occasionally and most of the time it is simply an inadvertent oversight on the driver%26#39;s part. Taxi fares are governed by the metered rate. ***BUT*** there may be additional surcharges allowed by the official fare structure. ,90 Euro per bag (some drivers will %26#39;round%26#39; this up to 1 Euro..it%26#39;s not right but it%26#39;s not exactly %26#39;highway robbery



%26#39; either), 2,70 Euro for a 4th or 5th passenger; ,70 Euro surcharge for pick-up at a SNCF train station. These surcharges are in addition to the metered amount. Unlike restaurants and cafe, there is NO automatic gratuity added to the fare (tipping taxi drivers is a whoely individual thing. Some will tip a few centimes or 1 Euro, others will tip 10% of the %26#39;metered%26#39; fare, some more if the driver has provided some additional service. There are no hard and fast taxi tipping rules) The basic fare rates increase at night. It is possible to take a taxi to a location during the day and pay one fare and then return in the evening, over precisely the same route and pay a higher metered fare. These surcharges and rate changes are NOT %26#39;..tourist rip-offs..%26#39; but a part of the regular, official Paris taxi fare structure.





PARIS TAXI STUFF--



http://www.taxi-paris.net/page38.html





http://www.infotaxiparis.com/




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Moonwisper76 Sorry I forgot to answer your question, the Internet Cafe is really close to the hotel I stayed at. If you are in front of my hotel you take a left and go down to the corner. Turn left again and go to the next block, it%26#39;s on the right hand side, on a corner, you can%26#39;t miss it. I stayed at Blackston Opera hotel, 12 Rue de Parme, Paris. Gookluck

Shipping large items from Paris

My mother and I are planning another trip to Paris in November of this year and LOVE the markets - especially the ones with furniture and have always wanted to bring/send something back. We were wondering if anyone out there has purchased large items (especially from the flea markets) in Paris and shipped them back to the states. If so, how did you go about it? Any massive problems? Was it horribly, prohibitively expensive? Any and all advice greatly appreciated :-)






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Haven%26#39;t done it but am confident that any dealer who sells furniture to foreign visitors is set up to organize the shipping for you. I%26#39;m sure it will be quite expensive, aren%26#39;t you..?





gisparis.com/paris_shopping/flea_market.htm





frommers.com/destinations/paris/S28602.html





http://linktrim.com/28d (only in google %26#39;cache%26#39;)




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Thanks for the links :-) And yes, I am pretty sure I%26#39;m going to have to really, really, really (reallt) love something to send it home!




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I help Americans shop for art and antiques here and one of the best shippers in the city is Camard. Their warehouses are climate controlled and they are impeccably professional.




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The french postal system is incredible. I ordered perfumes on-line on a Thursday evening and had them in my hand the following Tuesday, 12 noon. We can%26#39;t get letters across the country that fast!





The French take great pride in their postal system - I%26#39;m sure you%26#39;ll be very impressed.





BTW - the postage cost was neglible. I%26#39;m sure it will be MUCH more for furniture, but I%26#39;d expect the system will be just as efficient.




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At St-Ouen, most dealers will have a shipper that they regularly use. Many of the better independent shops through the city will also have somebody. I%26#39;ve never shipped furniture, but the last painting I shipped back was around $100.





Phread, I%26#39;d like to know more about how you help Americans shop for treasures.




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BJL My cousin sent back two boxes she filled with flea market items while we were there three weeks ago. She sent two boxes from the postoffice. The boxes measured around 18 inches wide, 12 inches high and deep. Not very big! It cost her around $100 US dollars. Best of luck





Just ask someone in your hotel where the nearest Post is.




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Many thanks, all. I am thinking I should investigate Paris%26#39; equivalent to Pak-N-Post :-) The airlines are getting more strict about baggage weights as well. I just came back from a business trip to NYC and had to remove 5 lbs. from my checked bag before they would check it. (Thank goodness I had room in my carryon for the rmoved item).





Run4Fun - I take it your cousin was able to purchase and seal the boxes at the post office?




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Hi BJL,





Before you buy, you may want the post office regs. I%26#39;m assuming that with all the security measures in place around the world these days, etc. that the postal services would not elect to shape something as bulky as furniture. You may have to use a freight carrier as recommended by store or Paris locals.




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Hey Truffaut,



That is great because I%26#39;d like to know who you used for the painting... I have one here that is 1 m x 1m. and the best price I%26#39;ve had is 300 euro!



sabesphoto@yahoo.com




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BJL Yes, she purchased the boxes and they were self sealing boxes. Not very big, and I think she put mostly books and heavier items in it.